Comments on: The Problem with The Pareto Principle http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle Analysis Driven Personal Development Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:25:57 -1000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Arun K http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-1941 Arun K Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:15:39 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-1941 My apologies to Ali! Really good article. My apologies to Ali! Really good article.

]]> By: Sid Savara http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-1937 Sid Savara Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:44:05 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-1937 Hi Arun,<br>Thanks for your comment! I loved this article too. I just want to clarify<br>that it was written by Ali Hale, a fantastic staff writer on <a href="http://SidSavara.com" rel="nofollow">SidSavara.com</a>.<br> I thoroughly enjoyed it and support everything she wrote in it, but I can't<br>take credit for it being my own work =) Hi Arun,
Thanks for your comment! I loved this article too. I just want to clarify
that it was written by Ali Hale, a fantastic staff writer on SidSavara.com.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and support everything she wrote in it, but I can't
take credit for it being my own work =)

]]> By: Arun K http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-1920 Arun K Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:07:14 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-1920 This is just so true! I once got into big trouble in my office when I did not agree to the 80/20 principle and (worse) when I actually provided data to prove that my team's productivity was not in line with Paretto. Nett result - Was seen as some kind of a rebel. I did not learn anything from this excercise! A few months later I presented my case against the bell curve theory! Some people never learn.<br>PS : Sid - I like the way u think. This is just so true! I once got into big trouble in my office when I did not agree to the 80/20 principle and (worse) when I actually provided data to prove that my team's productivity was not in line with Paretto. Nett result – Was seen as some kind of a rebel. I did not learn anything from this excercise! A few months later I presented my case against the bell curve theory! Some people never learn.
PS : Sid – I like the way u think.

]]> By: Sid Savara http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-481 Sid Savara Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:18:27 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-481 Hi Christoffer,<br><br>Definitely can't argue with the logic of what you point out - it's a<br>constant struggle I have myself, wondering if what I am doing is efficient<br>or if I should be expending energy working in a different direction =) Hi Christoffer,

Definitely can't argue with the logic of what you point out – it's a
constant struggle I have myself, wondering if what I am doing is efficient
or if I should be expending energy working in a different direction =)

]]> By: Christoffer Torris Olsen http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-475 Christoffer Torris Olsen Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:45:29 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-475 There is a point to be made though. The Pareto Principle isn't necessarily something that holds true, although it often is (in varying proportions). <br><br>But it can be used as something to seek for. Imagine that you use the Pareto principle as a goal as well as a measurement tool. You *want* 20% of your input to produce 80% of your output. You want one customer out of five to pay you 80% of your wage working one full day a week. Often, making these adjustments isn't as hard as you'd first think.<br><br>If you keep following this, you'd end up incredibly efficient and very broke. So make sure to find other sources of income as you go along. After all, the automated income is the most efficient one. There is a point to be made though. The Pareto Principle isn't necessarily something that holds true, although it often is (in varying proportions).

But it can be used as something to seek for. Imagine that you use the Pareto principle as a goal as well as a measurement tool. You *want* 20% of your input to produce 80% of your output. You want one customer out of five to pay you 80% of your wage working one full day a week. Often, making these adjustments isn't as hard as you'd first think.

If you keep following this, you'd end up incredibly efficient and very broke. So make sure to find other sources of income as you go along. After all, the automated income is the most efficient one.

]]> By: Tammy http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-371 Tammy Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:26:06 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-371 Excellent article.... thank you! Excellent article…. thank you!

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]]> By: Mike King http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-348 Mike King Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:18:30 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-348 Not to pick on you Juliet, but for research, don't you generally stop researching when you find that golden piece of information? That makes it always in the last 20% of the work. I'm not so sure the principle could apply here because of this.<br><br>I would suggest however, that if you were able to find the best info in the first 20% of the work, you likely would be able to apply the principle. Problem is with research until you have more to compare to and understand, that other 80% of context is needed to recognize it. Not to pick on you Juliet, but for research, don't you generally stop researching when you find that golden piece of information? That makes it always in the last 20% of the work. I'm not so sure the principle could apply here because of this.

I would suggest however, that if you were able to find the best info in the first 20% of the work, you likely would be able to apply the principle. Problem is with research until you have more to compare to and understand, that other 80% of context is needed to recognize it.

]]> By: LifeMadeGreat | Juliet http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-346 LifeMadeGreat | Juliet Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:39:40 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-346 Hi<br><br>I work part-time as a researcher. The company is BIG into the 80/20 principle. For me, it just doesn't work. If I am researching a topic, I usually find that golden piece of information in the last 20% of my work. I think that my seniors frown somewhat on my style, but for me I simply can't produce something where I doubt that I have the full story.<br><br>Juliet Hi

I work part-time as a researcher. The company is BIG into the 80/20 principle. For me, it just doesn't work. If I am researching a topic, I usually find that golden piece of information in the last 20% of my work. I think that my seniors frown somewhat on my style, but for me I simply can't produce something where I doubt that I have the full story.

Juliet

]]> By: Sid Savara http://sidsavara.com/personal-productivity/the-problem-with-the-pareto-principle/comment-page-1#comment-340 Sid Savara Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:20:15 +0000 http://sidsavara.com/?p=501#comment-340 Hi Jim,<br><br>I agree that often the rule is held - I think the point Ali is making here,<br>quite validly, is that the more efficient we are the less likely it is the<br>80/20 rule holds true. For individuals, we may be searching for a mythical<br>20% that just isn't there.<br><br>Perhaps in larger groups, it is more pronounced also because individual<br>differences and abilities are so large. I have read many times that the<br>best software developers outperform their counterparts 10:1 or even 100:1.<br>This seems remarkable, but I can remember working in college in groups as<br>well as on software teams where I, one person was responsible for basically<br>all the work that was completed.<br><br>You make very valid points, and I think your presence here certainly adds to<br>the discussion! I don't have experience with MLM, but intuitively I am<br>surprised the 80/20 rule does not hold - I know many people on the lower<br>levels don't always make a profit, and a few that work very very very hard<br>seem to reap a large portion of the rewards. Perhaps that is just what I've<br>seen however, and as you point out, may not be supported by the data. Hi Jim,

I agree that often the rule is held – I think the point Ali is making here,
quite validly, is that the more efficient we are the less likely it is the
80/20 rule holds true. For individuals, we may be searching for a mythical
20% that just isn't there.

Perhaps in larger groups, it is more pronounced also because individual
differences and abilities are so large. I have read many times that the
best software developers outperform their counterparts 10:1 or even 100:1.
This seems remarkable, but I can remember working in college in groups as
well as on software teams where I, one person was responsible for basically
all the work that was completed.

You make very valid points, and I think your presence here certainly adds to
the discussion! I don't have experience with MLM, but intuitively I am
surprised the 80/20 rule does not hold – I know many people on the lower
levels don't always make a profit, and a few that work very very very hard
seem to reap a large portion of the rewards. Perhaps that is just what I've
seen however, and as you point out, may not be supported by the data.

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